I hope you packed a lunch.
Right, so I’m home, and I’m backdating this post to yesterday, since Marty wrote a fine guest post for me today and I hate posting more than one post a day. Gotta love the Summer of Love.
So I was going to write my usual BlogHer recap post, complete with bullet points and photos and tons of links to bloggers I met and silly stories. And I will. I may be committing blogging Sepuku by not getting to the funny recap NOW because the days immediately following BlogHer are when you get the most hits from new faces. We’re all just meeting each other, sifting through the truckloads of business cards we were given, and establishing new relationships…some that will last a lifetime. So yeah, by the time I get my recap post written, you’ll all likely be sick of reading recaps.
But this whole t-shirt thing has gotten way out of hand, at least as far as I’m concerned, so in a rare moment I’m going to (perhaps stupidly) get serious for a bit. I think it’s important, mostly because a large number of you are probably new to me and my blog, so you don’t know me that well at all, aside from me being the ass who wears sexist t-shirts at a mostly-female conference.
One question I am asked over and over again by women at BlogHer every year – and I’ve been going since San Jose, so BlogHer 2009 is my fourth conference – is “Why are YOU at BlogHER?”
My most frequent response to that inquiry is, “Because this is where my friends are.” And that’s the truth. And next year? In New York City for BlogHer 2010? I’ll have even more friends because I met the best people in Chicago.
For the record, believe it or not, I am incredibly pro-woman and I adore BlogHer with the intensity of a thousand suns. I first went to BlogHer in 2006 in San Jose, and only to meet a handful of my favorite bloggers that I knew were going. When I discovered they would be there, I joked that I was going, too…because who knew that a female blogging conference was actually so progressive as to actually invite men into that world?
Well, as it turns out, BlogHer DOES want men there. And yes, there have been many posts written about how vaginally-challenged people do not belong there, how men are just trying to invade and take over yet another space, how it’s not fair that women can’t have even THREE fucking days to themselves without our presence. Right, I’ve heard all the arguments and complaints many times, and I’ve had many conversations with ladies about it.
In 2006, there may have been perhaps 30 or 40 men at BlogHer, tops. And not everyone was happy about it. A LOT of anti-men sentiment surrounded that conference, which was daunting for me, to say the least.
Me, a dude with social anxiety like you wouldn’t believe, who freaks out at ANY conference, let alone an “all female” conference where some people were less than welcoming. I’m happy to say that I’m good friends with most every woman who didn’t like the prospect of a male presence in 2006. What can I say? To know me is to love me (or not), and all that happy horseshit. I’m very fortunate, in that the women who wrote anti-men posts prior to BlogHer 2006 are all incredibly intelligent, accessible, and gracious women. We clicked nearly instantly, they realized that I was NOT there to spoil their experience or invade. I just merely wanted to be included. And hang with my friends. And that while I may play a pervert on TV, I’m not one in real life. OK, maybe that last part isn’t ENTIRELY true…heh.
Most of my friends have always been women, and that’s not likely to change. I don’t follow sports, I don’t know shit about cars, and that eliminates about 70% of male conversation for me. On top of that, I’ve been through a shitton of therapy since the mid 90’s so I am far better-versed at emoting and expressing myself than the average man. (Broad Sweeping Generalization, but tough shit.)
Basically, I’m very in touch with my feminine side and am only angry that I don’t have my own set of breasts to play with all day. Oops, ok, so yeah, when I am anxious I tend to crack jokes at inappropriate moments. Again, tough shit.
Don’t get me wrong, had BlogHer.com said that the BlogHer conference was a woman-only conference? I would never have gone. But the Leading Ladies at BlogHer made it very clear that men were welcome to come. I was broke and out of work at the time, so I volunteered to live-blog the San Jose conference, and my conference cost was comped. I think that’s an amazing thing that Lisa, Jory, and Elisa established, the volunteer program. It allows women (and men) to afford something they might not be able to attend otherwise. And yeah, I took advantage of it.
The live-blogging thing actually served me with an unexpected bonus effect: it legitimized my being there a little more. I had an additional reason to give women about why I was there…oh, I’m live-blogging three of the sessions. It forced me out of my comfort zone into social situations that I might not have experienced otherwise, and it brought me into SESSIONS I might not have experienced otherwise, too. Met a ton more people, subsequently felt more comfortable because I knew more people, etc. ad nauseum.
And those three leading ladies, by the way? Incredibly sweet women, who all went out of their way that first year to talk to me, make me feel welcome, and actually THANKED me for being there. Elisa in particular spent a good half hour with me that first year, when she and Jory and Lisa – and the other BlogHer staffers – were running around the hotel like chickens with their heads cut off, trying to do their jobs and take care of the myriad of logistical problems that must take place during something as big as BlogHer. And that was when the number of attendees were HALF what they were at BlogHer 2009. It can only be worse now.
Sure, I skipped a couple of sessions when I wasn’t live-blogging, retreated off to my room to curl up in a fetal position and try to regroup. I glommed onto the few women I knew before I arrived in San Jose, too, because that’s part of my coping mechanism, sticking with as much comfort zone as I can get my hands on when I’m in the midst of panic attacks.
But when I left San Jose, I had a ton of new friends, including those that were miffed at me for writing a post just 2 weeks before BlogHer about how I couldn’t wait to see all those chicks in lusty pirate wench outfits. And many of these women are some of my dearest friends now.
Clearly, I am not someone who is bound by political correctness. I think the world is far too fucking serious and sensitive these days. That isn’t too say there isn’t a reason for the sensitivity, but I’m pretty glad I grew up in the 70’s and 80’s when people were made of sturdier stuff and got offended far less often. It made me stronger.
I was a bully’s wet dream throughout school. I was short, small for my age, wore glasses, sucked at sports because I had asthma and a severe lack of coordination, wore braces and even the freaking headgear IN SCHOOL, and the list goes on and on. I was beaten up regularly, called “four-eyes” and “beaver tooth” and “faggot” and every other name in the book.
Because of this, I had to rely on my intelligence, and my wit and sense of humor. I talked my way out of many beatings (not enough of them, mind you, but still) and sometimes even made friends with the very people whose bootprints were on my ass. Over the years, I developed my wit a lot more and became more known for my humor than anything, really. Often, this humor was (and is) inappropriate, but it got me laughs from the majority of people, so you better believe I ran with it.
Laughter is my Weapon Of Choice when it comes to meeting new people. I know there is no better way to get MY attention than to make me spit soda through my nose, and so I count on making people laugh to get THEIR attention. This, by the way, is my primary reason for wearing such ridiculous t-shirts to a female blogging conference every year.
I started wearing such shirts in Chicago for BlogHer 2007. Designing most of them myself, of course. Wearing a shirt that says “Tell your boobs to quit staring at my eyes” made a lot of people laugh that year and I discovered just how much power there is in a smart-ass t-shirt.
See, I’m mostly a hermit. I work from home, I never have to leave the house if I don’t want to, and social networking – whether it be blogs or Twitter or Facebook – is where the bulk of my socializing takes place. I’m one of those people who freaks out at the notion of going to a social gathering, and will often place my back against a wall and pray that someone will come talk to me.
The t-shirts I wore in 2007? Immediate icebreaker. I didn’t have to initiate many conversations because people were coming to ME and engaging ME. Sure, there were dirty looks…there are every year, but the vast majority of the ladies are laughing their asses off, and I dig that. My shirts are often the start to amazing friendships.
Now I custom-design three shirts every year for BlogHer. One for Thursday, Friday, and Saturday night. If you think the ones I wore this year were offensive, you should see the 27 slogans that I wrote but DIDN’T DARE WEAR. Because, believe it or not, there are many things I would NOT wear at BlogHer. I enjoy straddling the line between inappropriate and offensive…I spend a lot of time atop that fence and yes, there are times I step OVER it. But I’m pretty good at owning up to my bullshit. I am accountable for my actions. I apologize and hopefully move on.
I’d never wear a shirt with the word FUCK on it at BlogHer, though I have seen plenty of women who do. I’d never wear a shirt with the word CUNT on it, either, because in my eyes that is as offensive a word as the “N” word, which I never utter. Hell, I don’t care how much you and I may fight, I’d never CALL you a cunt. I’d probably never even call you a bitch in that context, though I frequently use it in a humorous way, as in “Where my bitches at?”
My point being – and yeah, I’m probably the most long-winded fucker on the planet – I do NOT wear those shirts to offend anyone. I wear them for a laugh, I wear them as an icebreaker, I wear them because they work. I haven’t yet had time to look at any recap posts, let alone the Flickr sets, but I dare say that if you search Flickr in the BlogHer sets, you’re bound to find me posing for a lot of women, and WITH a lot of women.
THAT is why I wear those shirts.
I said this over at Grace’s blog, but anyone who truly believes that Adam and I went into a conference with 1,300 women wearing THOSE shirts so we could OFFEND those women? Yeah, you’re a moron.
Liz and I were discussing the shirt controversy on Sunday, while we cavorted around Chicago’s subways and found the Threadless T-Shirt Store (cuz yeah, I don’t have enough t-shirts). She and I have been friends since San Jose and she described the situation perfectly.
To wear a shirt that says “I am having very deep spiritual thoughts about your boobs” walking in downtown Detroit just before Thanksgiving…that is sexist. But to wear the same shirt at BlogHer, where 90% of the attendees are female? That’s comedy gold right there. It’s so ridiculously over-the-top that it borders on the absurd, and that’s why it’s funny. Damn fucking funny, if you ask me. Irony? Ever heard of it? Look it up.
True, I don’t offend easily. But I’ve seen a lot of women wearing some really funny shirts over the years that could easily be construed as offensive to women, and some that could be offensive to men. Again, I think we are far too easily offended these days, so none of those shirts offends ME, but there is a (small) contingent of ladies offended every year by shirts that women are wearing.
I joke often on my blog and on Twitter with many, many, many inappropriate remarks. I flirt heavily, mostly because it’s online and I feel safer doing it that way. In person? No. I’d love to hear from any of you BlogHer babes that I met and hung out with that felt I was offensive or hitting on them or anything like that. I’d be surprised (and hurt) if any one of them came forward and said otherwise.
One of the nasty commenters on Grace’s blog says that they know me and that my primary goal for BlogHer is to get laid. That’s bullshit, and that person (though I don’t know them) KNOWS it’s bullshit because otherwise they would have left a link and their real name so I could take it offline and CALL them on their bullshit one-on-one.
I haven’t had sex in TWO FUCKING YEARS, people. It’s no secret. And I have NEVER had sex at BlogHer, period. There were more than a handful of guys in Chicago over the weekend who were shocked to hear that because, well, shouldn’t getting laid for a man at BlogHer be like shooting fish in a barrel? Yeah, not so much.
It is true that I use inappropriate jokes and flirting as a means to attract women, but only because it’s women I mostly enjoy hanging out with, and bawdy women at that. So when I find a gal with a similar sense of humor (and there are many, believe you me), we hit it off like gangbusters. Am I doing all this so I can get them in bed? Hell no. Would I sleep with any of them if the opportunity arose? Hell yes. The single gals, anyway.
But logistically, it’s highly unlikely that I’ll ever get laid at BlogHer. Most of these women are rooming with 3 or more other women. And I always have roommates, too. Hell, two years ago in Chicago, I stayed at a hostel with FIVE other dudes.
That said, I’m not an idiot (for purpose of this point, anyway). If I met a lady at BlogHer (or anywhere, really) and we clicked really well, and she made me laugh, and made me think, and there was chemistry…sure, I’d be all over it. But that is NOT why I go to BlogHer.
I am a feminist. I believe firmly in equality for women. (I’m more a humanist, really, but you get what I’m saying.) I have twin daughters who just graduated college and are such amazing women (they’re 22) that I would be honored to hang out with them even if they weren’t related to me by blood. I cried harder watching “Beaches” than I did watching “Brian’s Song.” One of my favorite books is “The Time Traveler’s Wife” and I pray you’ll read that incredible book before going to see it in theaters next month.
I am one of the biggest BlogHer ambassadors there is. I have encouraged many a friend of mine to go to BlogHer, no matter how afraid they may be. I have assured them that no matter how “small” a blogger they may be, even the “biggest” bloggers at the conference are gracious and accessible and go out of their way to make newbies feel welcome. (And yes, there are always exceptions, but aren’t there always?)
If I see a woman at BlogHer sitting at a table by herself with that deer-in-the-headlights glazed look in their eyes, I make a beeline for them and try my best to comfort them. Why? Because I know very well what it feels like to be on the side of the dance floor, wishing desperately that you were included in the fun.
I can’t count how many times a newbie has said to me, “I don’t know a single person here,” to which I reply, “Well, you know me now, and stick with me – I’m going to introduce you to some of the most amazing women on the planet.” That’s not easy for me to do, socially, but I hate seeing anyone feeling excluded.
I am one of very few men that are part of the BlogHer Ads Network. I open doors for women, I always let them enter or exit the elevator before me. (And if you find THAT chauvinistic, tough shit. That’s how I roll.) I support many a charity or fundraising project, whether it be for breast cancer research or (sadly) one of the far-too-many women I know that has lost a child or any other cause that raises women up. I am incessantly ReTweeting ladies with links to help raise money for a Susan G. Komen walk or a lady suffering from cancer (or who has a child with cancer). And I am a Survivor.
I’m not deliberately trying to brag here, and mentioning this shit makes me uncomfortable, but I say these things to show you – my new friends and readers – that I am not a dick, contrary to popular belief. I’m not a sexist pig who goes out of his way to objectify the people he loves most. In a very rare moment of non-insecurity, I can truthfully say that I fucking rock. And I’m cringing at that statement and desperately want to delete it, but won’t.
I was raised to be a gentleman, and I like to believe that I’m pretty successful at it most of the time. And I say these non-humble things because all you ladies who didn’t know me in Chicago, but judged me by my cover, probably have no way of knowing these things since you didn’t come and talk to me.
And I’m not angry that you didn’t talk to me, I get it. Makes sense. I just wish you had. While I was initially irked reading Grace’s post, I quickly got over it and appreciate that she took the time to vent about it on her own space. And comment here on my blog, that took some lady balls. I do wish that everyone was as graceful (pun intended) in their remarks as Grace herself, but hey, to each his/her own.
I adore the friends who came running to defend my (and Adam’s) honor on that post. Some of the comments made me tear up, and that’s not easy for me. What I do NOT want to see is any vicious name-calling, whether it be here or over there or anywhere else. Especially if I am somehow involved. So read her post and the comments, if you wish, but if you comment there, treat her with respect and dignity. Mean people suck.
Now, Adam is not a man that needs defending. And I know he shocks people with his over-the-top humor, just as I do. Many women will attest to this if you merely take the time to do a little digging, but Adam is one of the sweetest, kindest, gentlest people on Earth. (Sorry, Adam, if I’m outing you.) He is a total gentleman with a very large female readership, whose best friend by the way? Is a woman. I am proud to call him a friend of mine and it makes me squirm when I see some of the haters spreading evil and nasty lies about him. I’m not bashful to admit that I love him. In a totally manly way, of course. *cough cough*
Naturally, you have to work your way past the Hitler header on his blog to SEE these things about him, and to be quite frank, I DIDN’T see past the header the first time I went to his blog. Because, shocker? Even though one of the commenters on Grace’s post insinuates that I’d be happy to walk into a Jewish conference in an “I LOVE HITLER” shirt, that’s incorrect. (And no, I don’t see me wearing the shirts I wore last weekend at BlogHer as akin to wearing a swastika shirt at a Jewish conference.)
I hope that all of you who were not at the Vaginally Challenged menblogger panel will seek it out when the audio recording from the session is released. Adam and Matthew and Jim were incredible panelists. They all made me tear up and I was proud to have them speaking for me as a man. And they rocked it. I personally know of at least four women who were nastily tweeting things about men being in Chicago, who sat in on the panel, and walked away feeling very differently about the male presence at BlogHer. So I owe each of those men a great deal of gratitude for being far more eloquent than I could have been.
I wish we were at a point in society when rumors didn’t abound about men and women being very close, platonic friends. Because truly, if you’re my friend you’re my friend, and I don’t give a shit that you have tits or a penis, or if you’re black or white, or if you’re straight or gay, or if you’re a Republican or a Democrat, or if you’re Christian or Buddhist or Wiccan or an atheist. I don’t SEE that shit, I just see people. Well, if you buttfuck horses, I might not like you, but otherwise I’m pretty accepting of most everyone.
Right, so the t-shirts. I consider them inappropriate, as much of my humor is. I do NOT consider them offensive, yet fully understand how you personally may have felt offended. Just please know that I hate hurting ANYONE. I hate that anyone felt unsafe at a conference I positively adore because of some stupid-ass shirts I wore.
But you can bet your sweet Spanx-covered ass that I WILL be in NYC for BlogHer 2010, and I WILL be wearing three brand new inappropriate t-shirts (actually thinking about adding a Sunday shirt to the repertoire). I will not be backed into a corner and go back to wearing mildly silly shirts, which is the bulk of what I wear.
There are far more important things to be worried about, ladies. The inequity in pay between men and women. The war in Iraq. People dropping like flies in Darfur. Homeless children living on our own streets. And who is getting kicked out of the Big Brother House this Thursday.
A dude wearing idiotic t-shirts at BlogHer shouldn’t even be a blip on your radar.













I knew that my shirt might offend a few humorless people, but if I worried about that, I wouldn’t blog. The best humor out there is that which pushes the envelope, and that’s what I do best.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
@Avitable, You do indeed. You’re one of those people whose posts regularly make me say, “Shit, how the fuck am I ever going to top THAT?”
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You know what Karl? You do fucking rock.
And yes people, I spent the entire weekend with Karl and I never once opened a door, pushed a button or walked behind him…which worked out well because my husband does those same things for me too.
Of course, now I’m wondering….how the fuck did I spend all weekend with you and you didn’t even put up one stinkin’ picture of me? The boob picture totally doesn’t count.
Love you darlin’.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
@Sheila (Charm School Reject), Oh, I have photos of you, babe. I just have yet to upload shit to Flickr, really. I took a ton of photos on my REAL camera and haven’t uploaded them yet. The few that I did upload were all from my iPhone. I’ll upload the others tonight, probably.
Miss you muchly.
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You do TOTALLY ROCK! I am humbled and honored to call you a friend. A newer friend, but still, a friend, that I see a long term relationship with.
I’m married. And I love my husband, but I love to flirt with you too, and he knows that. He also knows I’m a flirt. And that no matter what I’m coming home to him.
I hope you & I continue our friendship, our flirtship and my love of you and your inappropriate t-shirts will always be.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
@bubblewench, Aw, right back atcha.
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Nice, Karl. Yes, you ARE the real deal. And If I was a woman and I went to the Blogher conference and you were Karl and you wore one of your crazy shirts, I’d sleep with you.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
@brian papa, I’m not that easy. You’d have to ply me a lot of liquor first.
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Hey man, why do you have pictures of my wife on your blog! We didnt want you at blogher! We wanted only women and me to be there… oh wait! I am a guy!
If it wasn’t for guys like you, i would not have gone to support my wife and she probably would not have gone as well (she has the anxiety thing too).
You’re an awesome guy! Either you’re a fantastic actor or you are completely genuine!
Can’t wait to see you in NYC!
You’re new friend Only Aman.
(stop hitting on my wife)
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
@Only Aman, Yeah, I’m a great actor. I ACTED like I wasn’t freaking the fuck out all weekend long. You and your wife rock and I wasn’t just pumping sunshine up your ass when I said you were one of my Top 10 Fave BlogHer Moments this year.
PS: Tell your wife to stop being so hot and I’ll quit hitting on her.
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You do RAWK !
I heart you !!
(o)(o)
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
@Kim, Love you, too.
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Dude, you TOTALLY fucking rock. Don’t doubt it for a second. Your post totally made me tear up. Thanks for that.
You are my people, and I love you. Can’t wait to see you again in NY!
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
@churchpunkmom, I hope it doesn’t take that long to hang with you guys again, truly. I love you, too, but not in a have-your-husband-beat-the-everloving-shit-out-of-me way.
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What you said.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
@Whit, Rock on, dude.
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Karl~well said my friend~some people live to cause problems and find something to bitch about~even though i have *yet* to meet you in real life, i consider you one of my best friends~i know i most likely don’t rate in being one of your best friends~
but i remember last summer when you spent several hours emailing and twittering to me when i was actually considering ending my life~i just realized i probably never told you that YOU saved my life that night and because of that YOU will always be someone very special to me
and the emails and twitters weren’t about anything related to the feelings i was going through at the moment~you just took the time to talk with me when i was literally at the end of my rope and during that time i thought~i can’t do this tonight~i have to stay around long enough to met this wonderful person
maybe that is why i felt comfortable enough to “bare” my online “secret” ~~you are just one of the most caring, most lovable person i know
and i thank you my friend~ for being there for me and for a whole lot of other people i know that you care about
and i thank you for caring enough about mankind to spend several hours emailing someone you didn’t know from adam(not avitable the eve one)
don’t let the bastards get you down! k’? i may need you again someday
all my love and please keep wearing the tshirts
i love them and they make me laugh
charlene
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
@charlene, Wow, truthfully, I had no idea that you were THAT close to the edge last year. I’m humbled I was able to help in any way at all. Because I’ve been there…many times…and trusting someone enough to talk to them while you’re on the ledge ain’t easy.
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Number nine was totally about you. <3
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
@Angel Smith, Wow. Surprising. Thanks.
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Wonderful post, Karl. It was awesome to hang out with you this year, and I really enjoyed our Threadless adventure.
The new SeaBands made my flight home SO much better, too, OMG.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
@lizriz, I just dig hanging with you and now that you pointed me to another source for great t-shirts, I may stalk you.
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I’m really glad you wrote this post first, Karl, because I think taking it head-on is the way to go.
I got a whopping two minutes with you (and your t-shirt) at BlogHer this year, as our schedules just never meshed. But I chased after you to get those two minutes because you’d become a friend on Twitter and I wanted to make sure I said hi. I love your sense of humor, I love your tweets, I love your flirting. So based on that, I’m considering myself a new friend of yours, too.
Even though we hadn’t had much time together there, I was bothered by some of the points in Grace’s post and felt the need to comment there. I don’t think expressing my opinion makes me an “apologist” because I’m not making any apologies for me or anyone else. I think you handled her points exceptionally well and I applaud you for that.
That’s a long way of saying I think you fucking rock, too. And I can’t wait to get to spend time with you so that you can open doors for me, too. *mwah!*
(BTW – When I got here there were no comments yet. Now there are 20. So when you see some stalker on your site meter, that’s me. Sometimes “work” just gets in the way
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
@Maura ~ @MoBurns67, Yeah, you’re right. My schedule didn’t mesh with a LOT of people I wanted to hang with last weekend. Unfortunately, that’s pretty common at BlogHer, especially now that it’s so huge in terms of attendee numbers.
Thanks for your comments. And for seeking me out. It was really challenging to apportion my time to hang with people and I’ve kind of adopted the “first come, first serve” approach to BlogHer. Meaning that if you stop me in the lobby or outside, then I’m with YOU and will probably hang with you (until you bore me, heh), unless I’m scheduled to meet someone or go to a panel. Anyone else is kind of off my radar while I hang with the person/people I’m with and if that results in amazing 2-hour conversations, while missing out on a ton of other stuff? So be it.
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I had the misfortune of sitting next to you at the keynote if only because it kinda broke my heart to know what, why and how that touched you the way it did. Wish we had more time to talk, but damn you’re a hard one to keep up with.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
@Heather, Dammit, don’t make me think of Grace’s keynote reading. I swear to God I’ve been *this* close to tears ever since.
I was very touched that you were so set on comforting me while my brain fluids leaked through my eyes.
I wish we’d had more time, too, babe. For real.
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Well said, Karl. I left a comment over at Grace’s blog, defending you, but I don’t think it’s been published at this point. New commenter and all that shit.
People take things waaaay too seriously these days — you’re right. And no matter how eloquent your were here with your explanations, it’s sad that you’re forced to explain in the first place.
Rock on, Karl.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
@james, Thanks, man. Yeah, I really went back and forth on writing this post. I was all set to just drop it after Sunday’s post. But…then I realized that I handed out 100’s of business cards over the weekend to people that really don’t know me at all. This week, all those women (and men) will be manually entering most ALL those URL’s into their browser to see what blogs they want to add to their feeder.
First impressions do matter, and while MOST of the first impressions I made in Chicago were positive, I’d hate to think people are judging me solely on those shirts.
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The pink shirt was my favorite, but all three shirts were funny. Offensive? They don’t even come close to being on the offensive radar for me, but I tend to like people who have a sarcastic, snarky, gritty, inappropriate, oh.my.god.they-almost-crossed-that-line, flirty sense of humor. Totally my cup of tea.
Karl and I *work* together (at Famecrawler), and in a few short months, we have become good friends (at least I think so). He’s always treated me like the princess I am *ahem*, is kind, respectful and caring towards me (even when he calls me idjit). If I needed a friend to cry to at 3 a.m., I KNOW he would answer his phone, and the time I did call him at 3 a.m., he DID answer his phone and told me he would totally listen to me whine but he was busy waxing his eyebrows and asked if I could call back at noon. He’s considerate like that. *Wink*. Seriously though, he does totally fucking rock.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
@Sassy, Aww. I think I may need to quit reading comments here tonight because it’s really messing me up. In a good way, of course, but still. I’m glad you know you are welcome to ring me 24/7. I always TRY to answer if possible, but I’m also a very heavy sleeper.
You are one of my fave people. Yes, you are, so shut up. (I know exactly the thoughts going thru your head when I pay a compliment, not to mention the eyerolls, so stop that shit, too.)
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Great post Karl. You spelled it out perfectly.
And my comment on Grace’s blog wasn’t to come to your’s and Adam’s rescue. What I said is what I meant. People’s opinions that differ are good. It’s what makes us all different in some way, yet still finding the common ground with others.
So thanks for posting this, backdated even.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
@martymankins, No, no. I wasn’t calling anyone out. The comments I’ve read thus far from people I know have all been respectful. I was just saying that to make sure they STAY that way.
And I loved today’s post, so thanks, dude. You’re the man. After me, of course.
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I’d never heard of you before BlogHer, and I thought your shirt was hilarious. It stopped me in my tracks, I got your card, and you were one of the first people I added to my feeder. I’m sorry you’re getting shit blown toward you over it.
I think it took Gigantic Brass Balls to wear that thing at EstrogenFest 2009, and I said as much in Grace’s comments.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
@Amy, Thanks very much. Your reaction is precisely the one I was hoping for with my shirts.
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xo.
T
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
@Chrissi, You too.
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Solidarity, brother. Hope to meet you in NYC next year. I’ll be the guy getting bigger laughs b/c I’ll be without pants.
Cheers.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
@always home and uncool, Hey, thanks for the comment. Never heard of you, but I’ll remedy that shortly. Kinda hard to get noticed at BlogHer without pants, what with all the naked chicks running around the lobby and stuff. Still, good luck with that.
Look forward to hanging with you.
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I fucking love you, Karl!
You and me in NYC babe. Get my shirt ready!
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
@Michellew_, Shirt? You’re actually going to wear a shirt? I thought we’d agreed to go topless together?
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Karl, you seem like a stand-up kind of fellow to me, ESPECIALLY when it comes to women. I have a va-jay-jay, and nothing about those T-shirts would have offended me in the slightest. I hope that this maelstrom calms down quickly so everyone can get on with their lives! XOXO
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
@Tracy, Amen. Thank you.
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I too am glad you put this out there. Good for you Karl. Anyone who knows you and has taken the time to get to know you, already knows you have a heart of gold. Check your email.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
@Black Belt Mama, Thanks, babe.
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Karl, amazing post, hon.
You can’t please all of the people all of the time and I have a pretty thick skin. All of this talk of your t-shirts “objectifying” women? Personally, I think you would need to have a mostly-naked woman on a leash, following you around all week, doing your bidding to be “objectifying” the women of BlogHer.
So, here’s to your shirts! I’m glad they go people over to you to talk to you and laugh like I did. And can’t wait to see you at Davelanta!
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
@Coal Miner’s Granddaughter, Hmm, perhaps Naked Jen would be up for the leash thing. Probably not hitting Davelanta, after all. Broker than snot.
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Karl, all I can say is that you rock it like a freak (especially the karaoke, lol). And if you ever find yourself in Lexington, Kentucky, again, the first beer’s on me.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
@The Mother Tongue, Hmm, funny you should mention Kentucky. I’ll be in Louisville from August 24-29. Just sayin’.
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Sometimes the clothes do not make the man. (I spent way too much time listening to George Michael on the way to and from Chicago)
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
@Crystal, Great, now I’m gonna be singing “Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go” all freaking night.
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I’m so glad you didn’t delete it, babe, because you really do fucking rock and harder than the rest.
Personally, I hide behind my sexuality. It’s fun and light-hearted, but a lot of people don’t realize how very much more there is to me. So I think I understand how you feel about all of this.
I hate that you had to deal with this. That you felt the need to explain yourself more than you’ve already done. It really bothers me to see so much discrimination and that it’s so okay by so many people because it’s the women who are discriminating against the men.
I hope you know you were NOT the white elephant there, and that you don’t need to apologize. People need to just lighten up and stop taking things so personally.
If I do get to go to BlogHer 10 I’ll have your back. And your front and everything else.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 12:00 am
@Wendy, I don’t feel like I was discriminated against at all. The “white elephant” I was referring to was the drama, not me, though I certainly am part of it. There’s always some drama at BlogHer. Hard to get that many bloggers together in one place and NOT have any.
I don’t mind the discussion/debate, provided it’s not malicious.
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Whatever, you sexist bitch.
I love you!
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 12:23 am
@Sybil Law, Love you, too.
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Karl?
Left out. . . AGAIN?
I mean, jeepers.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:28 am
@Mamacita, Don’t worry, I haven’t written the actual recap yet.
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Karl –
As the woman who rode an aluminum pole ass to ass with you in the lino from from Midway to the Sharaton on the party limo hell, I can attest to the fact that you are a gentleman and an all-around nice guy. Loved the shirts too, they were the sugar in my coffee every morning.
Nancy
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:29 am
@Nancy from Fear and Parenting in Las Vegas, Ha! That was the most excruciating ride from the airport EVER. But I was still in a stretch limo with 20 freaking women!
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You wore clothes to Blogher? Wow. Blogher much be much different than ConFab and Adam’s Halloween Party
I love ya Karl and if anyone was offended by yours or Adam’s FUNNY ASS shirts, screw ‘em… they don’t represent the majority of women. Most women, as you and Adam already know, have a sense of humor and brains to match and we know when something is SUPPOSE to be funny.
Would you or Adam wear those shirts at my mom’s funeral? Um. No. Why? Because you aren’t idiots. Given that you wore them at a conference attended mostly by women, that is comic gold right there!
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:31 am
@Janelle, Hell no, I wouldn’t wear shit like that to a funeral! I’d find a tasty little Nicole Miller number or something. I have class.
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Karl, you really do rock. You let me hang out with you and bask in your coolness. I’m looking forward to seeing you next year. I’m also looking forward to your t-shirts, as I’m sure many others will be now, too. I have a feeling you’re going to be much sought after.
Bigs hugs,
Linda~
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
@Employee No. 3699, Thanks very much. I’ll be there, don’t you worry. We’ll hang.
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I’m glad you wrote this. I think I have a bit more insight, now, into all the folks commenting on my blog as to how you are a great guy. I can now better see why they’d think so.
That being said, I’m not sorry I put up my intial post. I still think the shirts you wore were offensive and inappropriate. I still think that has less to do with my not having a sense of humor (which I do, and writing off my complaint to “she just doesn’t know funny!” is weak) and more to do with how space that is safe and hospitable for women is constructed. But we can, I think, agree to disagree on that. At the very least, dialogue between you and I has been civil, and that I appreciate.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
@Grace, And I’m glad you wrote your post, too. For real. And that you’ve risen above the nastiness that others have not. Thanks.
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This was a fantastic post Karl. As I mentioned yesterday, while I love you and Adam to bits I didn’t really get why the shirts were worn.
And the “no sense of humour” thing really bothered me. Mostly because it’s a lazy generalization that so many people have been making about the women who didn’t find the shirts funny.
I’m glad that you wrote this. And you do in fact rock
xo
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
@Princess of the Universe, Thanks, babe.
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Bossy is actually a little embarrassed about those women lacking the wit to know the difference — but Bossy *sure* isn’t one of them. Great to see you and your t-shirts, Karl. Never stop coming to BlogHer; you fit in perfectly.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
@BOSSY, Aw, you just made me tear up a little because I’m in the midst of the Post BlogHer Blues and I’m all emotional and shit. Thank you. You are a pleasure to be around and I consider myself lucky to know you.
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Life without a sense of humor must be crippling, eh?
I found you to be funny and charming. I’m glad I had the chance to meet you.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
@Danielle, YOU?! ROCK! Your reading was one of the funniest fucking things I’ve ever heard in my entire LIFE. And I wish I had hung with you more than when I came up to you and told you that you rock.
I’m kinda squeeing just seeing you here on my blog, truth be told. But I’m thankful because now I have your blog in my feedreader, which is a little easier than trying to carry you around in my pocket…you’re a tall sasquatchee.
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Seconding Grace in that you’ve been fairly classy about this whole thing, Karl, and I appreciate that.
I wish your commenters would stop with the “some people just don’t have a sense of humor” stuff, though. Grace didn’t attack them. Why are they attacking her?
And actually, a person can have a problem with shirts like the ones you wore and STILL have a great sense of humor. In fact, it’s possible to think the shirts are FUNNY and still have a problem with them. These are not mutually exclusive options, and acting like they are is lazy thinking that basically gets the attacker off the hook for dealing with the whole thing in a more complex way.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
@Shoppista, I appreciate you rising about the namecalling, too, so thanks for that.
RE: the sense of humor thing. I’ll admit that that was my first thought after initially reading Grace’s post, but I agree with you that you can still have a great sense of humor, even if you don’t like my shirts. Humor, as I said earlier, is subjective. I totally get it. And I’m not for everyone, I get that, too.
Thanks again, and peace.
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Ron Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 1:58 am
@Secondhand Karl, I just enjoy attacking people.
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Karl, I’m not sure if you remember me from BlogHer, but we sat in the Java Bar on Friday night with Phil (Paula Deen’s internet guru) and we shared quite a few laughs, and drinks, and I thought you were AWESOME. You were polite, you were kind, you were checking on my drink level, (but not in a creepy “I want to take you home and fuck you” kinda way either), and I truly enjoyed your company.
I’m so glad that I remembered to get your card because I wanted to come and find you and say hello
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
@Heather, I’m glad you got my card, too. You’re way ahead of me. I haven’t even BEGUN to look thru my cards, let alone write my BlogHer recap.
I’m glad you were able to join us in the bar that night. Phil rocks. As do you.
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Karl, I started reading your blog a year ago when I found Clusterfook on line. I know that you are a big hearted man, I love your writing. Anyone that could say the hateful things on the other site just doesn’t know you and doesn’t want to take the time.
Again, I love you, you rawk, and some of your experiences have made me cry like a baby. I hope you never change! ((hugs))
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 30th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
@Becca, Thanks, Becca.
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I’ll never go to BlogHer, but if you ever make it up to Niagara Falls, dude, you’ve GOT to let me know. We’ll rock it.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 30th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
@Kris, Haven’t been up THAT way since the mid 90’s. But ya never know…
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Kris Reply:
July 30th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
@Secondhand Karl, Well then you’re due, aren’t you!
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you mention you have not gotten laid at blogher….honestly that’s probably due to these shirts, whether some ladies act like they find them funny or not.
i wouldn’t be terrible upset by the shirt, or feel unsafe or anything like that, but i definitely would push you into the “not gonna happen, ever” pile in terms of where dudes stand.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 30th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
@jessica, Fair enough. If I was *looking* to get laid at BlogHer, I’m sure I could. But again, not why I go, no matter how desperate I may be to remember what sex feels like.
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Damn, Karl. I comment like once a year on your blog. In college, I had to complete some elective credits, and instead of taking underwater basketweaving, I took some women’s studies and a few gay/lesbian studies courses. I was, like you, anxious about standing out so much, and was seen in these classes as being an interloper. Often, during discussions, I was the de facto representative of all things male/straight.
I completely understand why you wear the shirts and, even more to the point, why attending Blogher is important and valuable to you. I have always been proud to say that, by the end of each class, many of the people who were wary at best and hostile at worst had become good friends. Not all, but I’d go so far as to say most. While I might not have contributed to making the classes better for anyone else, I know that I learned a ton, am proud that I moved… way outside my comfort zone, and made some good friends along the way.
Still, all that having been said, you really do seem to attract a lot of drama.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 30th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
@Steve, Hey man! I took some women’s study classes in college, too. And yeah, definitely outside the Comfort Zone. But I’m glad I did.
As for the drama, I know. *sigh* Amazing how much I detest it, yet attract it.
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Love the shirts, man. Love your sense of humor. Hope to meet you next year.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 11:48 am
@Lorrie, I’ll be there, count on it.
And thanks.
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i’m a little late to this party…but my 65 yo mother would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE your t- shirts! And I do Love them. Even though I have been reading your blog because of Lisa, even I would have known not to be offended by them and anyone who is making shit comments should just read your whole blog and then STFU! Honestly.
I have been busy moving from Chicago back to Raleigh…my Sugar lost his job and we never sold the house…so at least we have some place to go!
Your blog makes me laugh out loud and cheer. You go, Karl. And you know what Lisa would say…
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
August 2nd, 2009 at 11:51 am
@DefendUSA, Ha, then I would love your 65-yr-old mother! My mom (who still maintains she’s 36, *cough*) is not a fan of the shirts. But she’s a fan of all the chocolate I bring her back from BlogHer every year.
Miss Lisa a great deal. *sigh*
Good luck with the move. Sorry to hear about your husband’s job.
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Karl, you fucking rock!
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