you know that saying about ‘it’s not what people say, it’s how they make you feel?’
i’m struggling right now. i had a new (RL) friend find me on facebook, then twitter, then find my blog. which would be fine, but i am the kind of person who needs mental tupperware. family and close friends are on my facebook. it’s the place i can post pictures of my kids without worrying they will end up on some porn site or taken by trolls who have a beef with me, my phone number is displayed there, and it’s my little circle of trust beyond offline face-to-face dealings etc. make sense?
twitter is my dumping ground for silly thoughts, random musings and funny quotes my kids have uttered or links i’ve found that i want to share with the people i know from there. i get to be silly with my friends on twitter and i enjoy going on to see what others are up to. i am very careful not to divulge specific things about my family, our location, and our routines. safety first. twitter is for fun, for networking, for less personal things.
my blog? well, lately it’s been good for practicing some deep thoughtful writing when i get the time. tonight i’m dumping here on karl’s blog because i can’t put this on my own blog.
this new friend is making me feel like crap tonight, for at least the tenth time since we became friends in recent months. a sampling of the past 6-8 months:
- first it was an odd conversation when i wasn’t aware it was pajama day at school and she made me feel kinda bad for not knowing. to be fair, we were in the middle of moving and i was driving the kids into our new town from a temporary apartment while our house was being built. pajama day wasn’t even on my radar. whoops. my youngest didn’t even care.
- there were several questions about why i wasn’t going on field trips with my kids. i work from home and have a business to run. also, i will fully admit i don’t really do well with OPK (other people’s kids). when I told her that, I don’t think she was impressed. oh well, take me at face value lady!
- there were many days that she spent time in the classroom and i stayed home to work – but she made it known what she had done with the class and how much fun my son had. I was happy that he had fun, truly. Didn’t need the side order of guilt though.
- then it was a gasp that my husband let my youngest sit on his lap and drive our car from our street into our driveway (seriously folks, mere YARDS) at a very slow speed. then a “you better not ever let my kid do that while he is at your house!” like I would.
- then it was flat out NO when i asked to return the favour of a playdate. several times. i stopped asking.
- then it was pictures on facebook of my kid at her house playing with playdoh and admonishing me for not allowing playdoh in my brand new home. look, I did playdoh with my oldest years ago and it’s not my favorite thing to clean up, mmmkay?
- when i did let my youngest play with playdoh at my house (mommy guilt is a powerful thing and he DID have a great time), she commented that his table was too small and that’s why it was all over the floor.
- when i posted a few pictures of my kids on facebook, she commented, “i’m so proud of you for taking your camera and taking pictures!” as if I never do take pictures of my kids. i simply do not post every fart my kid emits on a social networking website. it’s not who i am and i don’t need validation at every turn. also, ‘proud of me?’ am i five? *sigh* my patience at this point was wearing thin.
- then there were the tweets from her to me regarding specific plans, even my whereabouts (i was alone with kids at the time) that i do not want twitter seeing – several times – and each time i asked her to stop. i said it in person many times why i don’t want these things twittered, but she kept on.
- when the dog got sick, she twittered that i should call {my town} steam cleaners RIGHT AWAY OMG. Uhhh…I own a steam cleaner and I don’t appreciate the tweet with my town in it. and thanks i know how to take care of my house, my dog, my kids…she never stops with the advice!
- When i twittered jokingly about everyone going to blogher to calm down and stop worrying about clothes & shoes, she replied with ’still drama with blogher?’ uhhh i don’t see the correlation and thank you oh-so-much for the awkward position you could be putting me in with blogher.
she does/says all these things with a huge grin on her face. and i feel like a bitch for wanting her be quiet already and to cram the unsolicited advice up her ass. but unsolicited advice is SO NOT WANTED, right?
so i emailed her two days ago to tell her why i was removing her from twitter. i kept to the facts, told her precisely why, and was very nice about it.
nothing.
no response.
for two days.
i figured she was angry.
so i messaged her on facebook to ask if she got the email. i’m nothing if not forward and i do not beat around the bush. if i have a problem with someone, i deal with it.
she claimed not to have gotten the email.
so i sent it through facebook.
i got one line back saying she would remove the tweet about blogher and nothing more.
i swear to god, in my next life, PLEASE make me a man. I want to be able to pee my name in the snow and not have all this bullshit that sometimes comes with having women friends.
i’m not sure what to do now, if anything.
let me say i have been a mother, and a damn good one for a full 6 years longer than her. i know what my kids like, I know my kids better than anyone and i sure don’t appreciate her making me feel bad about how I parent. we go outside, we go to the beach, the movies, the museum, the water park and and and I’m explaining myself oops! Point is, I don’t do the same things she does. My kids are thrilled with an impromptu dance party or a quick jaunt to a local farm to pick fruit or whatever. We are a fly by the seat of our pants kinda family, and do not do organized crafts or long well planned trips that are fully documented on facebook.
it’s not what people say, it’s how they make you feel. indeed.













it sounds like she’s intimidated by you. she’s passive-aggressively attempting to bring you down to her level, wherever she thinks that may be. you’re a good mom, pretty, own your own business, your family is happy. there are always going to be people out there who want what you have, and in order to “get” it, they attempt to co-opt what you’ve got and say that it’s theirs. this has happened to me many times over. my life isn’t even all that great!
she continues to needle you because she can. when she becomes insignificant in your world she will stop.
but she will try a new tactic: beware.
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Karen Sugarpants Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
@Peau, ‘because she can.’ oh my god, exactly. i needed to hear that.
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So… this bitch is your FRIEND?! (Yeah – I don’t beat around the bush, either!
Seriously – she sounds like a nuisance to me. I don’t doubt your mothering skills at all, but obviously she’s got some insecurity/ superiority complex.
GAH.
I think you should maybe write a post on your blog about moms and their “helpful” advice. I’ll comment and maybe she’ll get the hint?!
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Karen Sugarpants Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
@Sybil Law, hahaha maybe i should. i doubt she would get it though. this whole thing makes me feel crazy sometimes, yanno?
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Sybil Law Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
@Karen Sugarpants, See, I think if you just wrote a post in general, and then I could saunter over and comment about one of your particular situations with HER and pretend some bitch was doing it to ME and what a loser bitch she was, and then Maria could do something similar – well, then – MAYBE she’d get it.
Maybe.
Hopefully.
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Maria Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
@Sybil Law,
Well THIS Bitch stole my comment!! FIGURES. Get your OWN thoughts Crankypants!
Seriously though, she said everything I wanted to. Except that I’d eliminate her, completely. That’s not the kind of friend you need!
And I don’t like OPK either. Except yours. And Sybil’s. And anyone’s that’s reading this…
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Karen Sugarpants Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
@Maria, OPK suck!
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Sybil Law Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
@Maria, Hey! i don’t like OPK’s, either! Except yours and Karen’s! We need to start a group, or at least make a tee!
And I only stole your comment because great minds think alike. That woman sounds like a true bitch. Ugh!
However, I loves my Maria!
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Karen, I think you’ve done what you can do here. Sometimes you just have to go with your gut, say what needs to be said then let the chips fall where they may.
As long as you are true to yourself, the rest will fall into place. There is nothing more you probably could have done and honestly, if she couldn’t even take a moment to say she was sorry and/or discuss all of this with you? Fuck her.
It is how people make you feel but also? It’s how you *let* them make you feel. Remember that you hold the power over your emotions, sweetheart. And? You are wonderful.
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Karen Sugarpants Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
@Hilly, so leave it alone then…which is what i was leaning towards. oy. i just didn’t want to hurt her feelings – but then she doesn’t seem to have any concern for mine, or my boundaries for that matter.
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Hilly Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
@Karen Sugarpants, You can only do so much. Leaving it alone is sometimes the best medicine.
Now, come snuggle up with me. You’ll feel better.
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You already know what I think, but I’ll say it again. Seriously, passive-aggressive types are TIRING. They wear you out,make you feel bad about yourself, make you doubt yourself, and make you feel like YOU’RE the crazy one. Plus, you have me, so duh, what more do you need?
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Karen Sugarpants Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
@Sassy, oh yeah. that was my next thought. i have you! *smooch*
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Sassy Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
@Karen Sugarpants, You know it, always. When we’re in our 80s (OK, god, fine, I’ll be closer to 90…but will still look 80), we’ll be in our rocking chairs with out laptops and making fun of all the passive-aggressive douches we have met in our lifetime. I’ll be so fun dude!
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Karen Sugarpants Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
@Sassy, Get offa my lawn! Where’s my teeth?
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Sassy Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
@Karen Sugarpants, Your teeth are in my soup. That’s gross.
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I’m honored you asked if you could post this here. My house is your house. Plus, you saved me from having to write a post before midnight.
We all need to be able to vent this kind of crap without worrying about the repurcussions.
That said, you were amazingly patient with this person. I’ve only blocked spammers on Twitter before, but I’d block this gal in a heartbeat if she didn’t follow my simple requests (even after explaining my rationale).
The passive-aggressive bullshit is just beyond tolerable. We’re not in fucking junior high any more, which is sometimes easy to forget in the blogosphere.
If it were me, I probably would have blocked her on Facebook, too, and any other social networks she’s connected to you on.
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Karen Sugarpants Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
@Secondhand Karl, i don’t know if i can remove her on facebook. we have mutual friends, blah blah.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
@Karen Sugarpants, That’s all fine and good UNTIL someone screws you over. Then all bets are off. Course, that’s easier said than done.
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I just had the wife of one of my husband’s friends follow me on twitter and even though I genuinely like her, it’s messing with my ‘mental tupperware’—totally stealing that phrase. I haven’t talked to her in ages and never told her that I blog and now she’s read it end to end in one sitting. She doesn’t sound like much for friend material honestly and if she chafes at you setting boundaries she’s just giving you more evidence in that regard. Sounds beyond annoying!
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Karen Sugarpants Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
@Heather, oh that is tough. when this person first found me on twitter, i sat and stared at the screen for a few good minutes. I didn’t know what to do!
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It sounds like she is very insecure, and she compensates by giving off the appearance that she is better than everyone else. People figure out pretty quick that they are anything but, and then they start to scramble.
You just keep on keepin’ on, and if you want her in your life then make it on YOUR terms. Don’t ever apologize for being you. Ever.
Love you always!
xoxo
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Karen Sugarpants Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
@Shash, i think others are on to her in that regard too – our mutual friends – but they are afraid to say so. it’s a small town. you don’t want enemies, right?
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I think you did the right thing. It’s never easy trying to get your point across politely to people that just don’t want to hear it.
I know you tried and I think you’re in the right. I just hate that it had to come to this point.
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Karen Sugarpants Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
@sam {temptingmama}, thanks – you were awesome in helping me cope with this.
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“i swear to god, in my next life, PLEASE make me a man. I want to be able to pee my name in the snow and not have all this bullshit that sometimes comes with having women friends.”
But if you came back as a man, you’d either have to date women because you’d be straight or hang out with them because you’d be gay. Either way, things would be much worse.
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Secondhand Karl Reply:
July 15th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
@Ron, You have a very good point.
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Karen Sugarpants Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 8:54 am
@Ron, shit i never thought of it that way. women are soft and pretty though. i’d stay straight. *rawr*
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Ron Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
@Karen Sugarpants, That’s my motivation for staying hetero after all these years.
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Karen, I’ll be honest, this is exactly why I have very few female friends IRL. In Utah, where I’m originally from, what you’ve described goes on ten fold. It got to the point that I didn’t want to talk to anyone because of the guilt that I didn’t stay at home with my kids, because I didn’t volunteer to herd the little shits around on field trip day, because I didn’t have “craft day” and “family home evening” and bla bla bla. My family is like yours, fly by the seat of our pants. We rarely make plans but we’re always doing something. I think it’s us who are the “norm” and who will have children who don’t feel pressured to perform and who are more comfortable in their own skins AND who don’t require constant stimulation, and I think we’re that much better off from some of the families I used to know.
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Karen Sugarpants Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 8:55 am
@Usedtobeme, AMEN. I’m nobody’s circus monkey.
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Sounds like a tough situation. :/ Pretty much anything I would have said has already been said in the comments, lol, but I wanted to provide moral support, even though you don’t know me!
Situations like this are really tough and it’s also why I didn’t have many female friends for a long time. Through the magic of the interweb I have found friends with just the brand of crazy I enjoy, and none of the crazy I don’t.
I have also learned to filter out the people that don’t fit so well, keep them at a distance. It sucks when you’re in a small town and you want to make nice locally, and you can do that while still putting distance between you two. The more you ignore her, the quicker she’ll go away. And you can still let the kids play together if they want to, as long as she permits it anyway. You just don’t have to interface with her very much. And I think it’s totally acceptable to remove her from social media if she’s posting information that you don’t want posted, and you’ve asked her to stop. :/
I hope it works out without erupting, and I hope that being able to post here helped you blow off a little steam.
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Karen Sugarpants Reply:
July 16th, 2009 at 8:56 am
@Kristi of Million Dream Mom, ya I’m certainly going to shy away from being able to see her. I like my own brand of crazy too – never thought of it that way, but you’re right!
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Now if this were my “friend” it’s quite possible she’d have met with an unfortunate “accident.”
Or maybe I’d just have dumped her (but fantasized about the “accident”).
For whatever reason she doesn’t make you feel good about you. It doesn’t matter if that’s her intent or it’s just the way you react to her, you don’t need it. Friends should lift you up, not drag you down. And they should respect your boundries.
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This lady… Ugggg!!!! I hate mom’s like that… “WHAT!?!? YOU FORGOT PJ DAY AT SCHOOL!?! AND THEY STILL LET YOU BE A MOTHER AFTER THAT?!” It’s mom’s like that who give us “real” moms a bad name.
I agree with Peau that “she’s passive-aggressively attempting to bring you down to her level”
And with Hilly, just leave it alone.
Of course she got your first email. Pluuu-ease! She is just too much of a coward to admit it.
She isn’t a friend you need and from this point forward, I would just give a quick little wave if I ever saw her again— but for the love of God, I hope you’re wearing PJ’s when you see her again ,LOL
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About 37 and 1/2 weeks ago, I decided that I was going to cut people like that out of my life. The major upside of being pregnant is that I don’t have the energy to take people’s shit. Also, “It’s not what people say, it’s how they make you feel” is damned wise.
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I very much keep work life separate from personal life, but no longer worry about personal life people becoming part of my online life, because to me my online life is my “real life” so… why would I want to separate those two? I used to think VERY differently on this subject when I was married to someone who hated the idea of our lives being made public for the world to see.
Anyway, I don’t like your new friend. I had one or two of those in Vermont. I dumped them. Don’t give her slack of thinking she can change. She’s not gonna change. Give her one chance: “I don’t enjoy when you tell me that the way I live my life is bad.” If she doesn’t catch on then she’s fired from your friends list.
Easier said than done, but life is too short to keep that toxicity in your life. It just BREEDS (not breads) unhappiness and self doubt, a detriment to your family unit.
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it sucks when IRL and twitter and blogging and face book gets all fucked up
*i’m glad that never happened to me*
{that is why i am 4 different names~~a different one at each site)
fuckers!
but what are you going to do~go offline (i did that for 6 months and it really sucked)
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Ignore, ignore, ignore. And when she says something that really requires a retort (I said retort not reply) blast her with it. Trust me. It works. I have a stalker (someone who knew me way back when we were in high school*) who stalks me on my phone (she texts me–yes, I stupidly, at one time, before I knew she would stalk me, gave her my cell phone number), FB and then found my blog via that. I don’t pay any attention to her when I can ignore her irritating, idiotic drivel, but when she really annoys or pisses me off, I let her have it and I don’t mince words.
*she was engaged to my husband’s best friend and he dumped her like 22 years ago and she still hasn’t gotten over it. She has now tried to friend every single person I am friends with on FB, including my kids (who have never met her and besides–really not cool) and some of my blogging friends (who ask me, “Who the hell is So-and-So?”) She’s psychotic. She has even texted me stuff that made me think she was outside my house looking in the window. Creepy. Anyway, sorry for the off topic. And probably for the unwanted advice.
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I think if you don’t break the friendship with her, you should keep her at arms length.
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