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		<title>By: Musingwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Musingwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 03:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to think, I almost didn&#039;t scroll down and see the end of this post.
[rq=1451,0,blog][/rq]&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogtations.typepad.com/quotes/2009/06/you-really-know-youre-nearing-forty-if.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;You really know you&#039;re nearing forty if...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to think, I almost didn&#8217;t scroll down and see the end of this post.<br />
[rq=1451,0,blog][/rq]<a href="http://blogtations.typepad.com/quotes/2009/06/you-really-know-youre-nearing-forty-if.html" rel="nofollow">You really know you&#8217;re nearing forty if&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:30:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-19660&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Secondhand Karl&lt;/a&gt;, The TracFones are pretty cheap. I bought one for my daughter for $10 and bought 90 days of service for $20. Sure, it isn&#039;t very many minutes, but she doesn&#039;t use it much. Using it to hold onto your number for 90 days? Seems like too much trouble.

I will say that this does point to a hole in AT&amp;T&#039;s pricing. If it ever makes more sense to cancel and re-join, then they are pricing something wrong. Keep in mind, though, that it may be the cancellation fee that is what they are pricing wrong. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-19660" rel="nofollow">@Secondhand Karl</a>, The TracFones are pretty cheap. I bought one for my daughter for $10 and bought 90 days of service for $20. Sure, it isn&#8217;t very many minutes, but she doesn&#8217;t use it much. Using it to hold onto your number for 90 days? Seems like too much trouble.</p>
<p>I will say that this does point to a hole in AT&amp;T&#8217;s pricing. If it ever makes more sense to cancel and re-join, then they are pricing something wrong. Keep in mind, though, that it may be the cancellation fee that is what they are pricing wrong. <img src='http://secondhandkarl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: AmazingGreis</title>
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		<dc:creator>AmazingGreis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 14:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t know where I&#039;ve been, but this is the first time I&#039;ve ever visited your site.  Found you through your guest post over at Anissa&#039;s, yeah, love this iPhone post.  My very thoughts exactly.  I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my 3G, and am drooling at the new BETTER model.  Like you, I may not be getting the NEW BETTER model because I purchased my 3G 5 months ago.  I&#039;m just hoping ATT comes to their senses and allows iPhone upgrades.

I&#039;ve never had issues with ATT.  I&#039;ve always stuck up for them when I&#039;ve been told they SUCK.  I&#039;ve been with them FOREVER as well.  A little slack for the &quot;loyal&quot; customers would be AWESOME!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;AmazingGreis’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://amazinggreis.blogspot.com/2009/06/its-my-blogaversary-1-year-down-many.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;It&#039;s my Blogaversary! 1 year down, many more to go...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know where I&#8217;ve been, but this is the first time I&#8217;ve ever visited your site.  Found you through your guest post over at Anissa&#8217;s, yeah, love this iPhone post.  My very thoughts exactly.  I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE my 3G, and am drooling at the new BETTER model.  Like you, I may not be getting the NEW BETTER model because I purchased my 3G 5 months ago.  I&#8217;m just hoping ATT comes to their senses and allows iPhone upgrades.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never had issues with ATT.  I&#8217;ve always stuck up for them when I&#8217;ve been told they SUCK.  I&#8217;ve been with them FOREVER as well.  A little slack for the &#8220;loyal&#8221; customers would be AWESOME!</p>
<p><abbr><em>AmazingGreis’s last blog post..<a href="http://amazinggreis.blogspot.com/2009/06/its-my-blogaversary-1-year-down-many.html" rel="nofollow">It&#8217;s my Blogaversary! 1 year down, many more to go&#8230;</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Secondhand Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Secondhand Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:40:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-19659&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@shiny&lt;/a&gt;, Interesting. I&#039;ve heard stories about people canceling their AT&amp;T account just to get the iPhone 3GS at the $199/$299 price, but that&#039;s really pushing it over the line for me. First, there&#039;s a $150-$175 cancellation fee (perhaps prorated, thanks for pointing that out). When you consider that AT&amp;T will allow me to early upgrade for $399/$499, that&#039;s only a $50 difference (tops).

Second, you lose your phone number. Third, you have to wait 90 days to sign back up with AT&amp;T, from what I hear. So what are you supposed to do in the meantime? Have no cell at all?

Not worth it, all in all. Also heard that people are buying Tracfones or a pay-as-you-go equivalent, porting their AT&amp;T phone # over to the Tracfone, canceling their AT&amp;T accounts, then porting BACK to AT&amp;T when they can sign back up. Wow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-19659" rel="nofollow">@shiny</a>, Interesting. I&#8217;ve heard stories about people canceling their AT&#038;T account just to get the iPhone 3GS at the $199/$299 price, but that&#8217;s really pushing it over the line for me. First, there&#8217;s a $150-$175 cancellation fee (perhaps prorated, thanks for pointing that out). When you consider that AT&#038;T will allow me to early upgrade for $399/$499, that&#8217;s only a $50 difference (tops).</p>
<p>Second, you lose your phone number. Third, you have to wait 90 days to sign back up with AT&#038;T, from what I hear. So what are you supposed to do in the meantime? Have no cell at all?</p>
<p>Not worth it, all in all. Also heard that people are buying Tracfones or a pay-as-you-go equivalent, porting their AT&#038;T phone # over to the Tracfone, canceling their AT&#038;T accounts, then porting BACK to AT&#038;T when they can sign back up. Wow.</p>
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		<title>By: shiny</title>
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		<dc:creator>shiny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-19657&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Secondhand Karl&lt;/a&gt;, I&#039;m fairly certain that my ETF with AT&amp;T is pro-rated as well -- and I bought the iPhone in August (in Virginia; may vary from state to state). You may want to inquire further about yours; it may very well be prorated as well.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;shiny’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ShinysTakeout/~3/Tj6XEA_UUOo/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Shin-ippets&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-19657" rel="nofollow">@Secondhand Karl</a>, I&#8217;m fairly certain that my ETF with AT&amp;T is pro-rated as well &#8212; and I bought the iPhone in August (in Virginia; may vary from state to state). You may want to inquire further about yours; it may very well be prorated as well.</p>
<p><abbr><em>shiny’s last blog post..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/ShinysTakeout/~3/Tj6XEA_UUOo/" rel="nofollow">Shin-ippets</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Secondhand Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Secondhand Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-19654&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@martymankins&lt;/a&gt;, Agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-19654" rel="nofollow">@martymankins</a>, Agreed.</p>
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		<title>By: Secondhand Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Secondhand Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-19650&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Ren&lt;/a&gt;, Pro-rated cancellation fees, very nice. Hope AT&amp;T starts following suit. Sprint has crappy coverage in Sebring, or else I might have gone for them when I moved here. And yeah, the wording on AT&amp;T&#039;s upgrade page is confusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-19650" rel="nofollow">@Ren</a>, Pro-rated cancellation fees, very nice. Hope AT&#038;T starts following suit. Sprint has crappy coverage in Sebring, or else I might have gone for them when I moved here. And yeah, the wording on AT&#038;T&#8217;s upgrade page is confusing.</p>
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		<title>By: martymankins</title>
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		<dc:creator>martymankins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 01:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-19650&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Ren&lt;/a&gt;, The pro-rated cancellation fee is a good thing for cell companies to add.  While it still doesn&#039;t say &quot;we are doing everything we can to keep your business&quot; eliminating the &quot;tie you down&quot; contract way of doing business, it&#039;s a step in the right direction.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;martymankins’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.banalleakage.com/2009/06/08/scooter-sunday-season-2-ep-06/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scooter Sunday - Season 2 Ep. 06&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-19650" rel="nofollow">@Ren</a>, The pro-rated cancellation fee is a good thing for cell companies to add.  While it still doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;we are doing everything we can to keep your business&#8221; eliminating the &#8220;tie you down&#8221; contract way of doing business, it&#8217;s a step in the right direction.</p>
<p><abbr><em>martymankins’s last blog post..<a href="http://www.banalleakage.com/2009/06/08/scooter-sunday-season-2-ep-06/" rel="nofollow">Scooter Sunday &#8211; Season 2 Ep. 06</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Aerithbloodmoon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aerithbloodmoon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 21:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-19612&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Sybil Law&lt;/a&gt;, Oh please! Respect the monkeys! they work wonders at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thinkgeek.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Think Geek &lt;/a&gt; so you shouldn&#039;t compare them, even if the at&amp;t are retarded ones, they are more like the fleas on the monkey fur. Or if the shit-throwing thing is the point, they are more like the useles pidgeons. 
Anyway, I want an iPhone, I really think that it&#039;s a worthy phone, and now that the 3GS was released the 3G should be a little less expensive, specially in places where the trendy tech arrives 3 months later.
Besides, it&#039;s unbelivable that a company that LIVES of the SERVICE is not ready to support the new features that they already know that&#039;s comming. 
So in the end I agree with &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-19612&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Sybil Law&lt;/a&gt;. They are IDIOTIC! (Not the monkey part! :P)
&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-19612&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Karl a.k.a. &quot;Mr. Nicebuns&quot;&lt;/a&gt; Please keep us posted about your experience and the readyness of the service.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://twitter.com/Aerithbloodmoon&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Aerithbloodmoon&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Aerithbloodmoon’s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://mcpmanuelvelazquez.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!CAC3F37D3F3ACC95!923.entry&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;La teoría de la papa (escrito por @Teifion)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-19612" rel="nofollow">@Sybil Law</a>, Oh please! Respect the monkeys! they work wonders at <a href="http://www.thinkgeek.com/" rel="nofollow">Think Geek </a> so you shouldn&#8217;t compare them, even if the at&amp;t are retarded ones, they are more like the fleas on the monkey fur. Or if the shit-throwing thing is the point, they are more like the useles pidgeons.<br />
Anyway, I want an iPhone, I really think that it&#8217;s a worthy phone, and now that the 3GS was released the 3G should be a little less expensive, specially in places where the trendy tech arrives 3 months later.<br />
Besides, it&#8217;s unbelivable that a company that LIVES of the SERVICE is not ready to support the new features that they already know that&#8217;s comming.<br />
So in the end I agree with <a href="#comment-19612" rel="nofollow">@Sybil Law</a>. They are IDIOTIC! (Not the monkey part! <img src='http://secondhandkarl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> )<br />
<a href="#comment-19612" rel="nofollow">@Karl a.k.a. &#8220;Mr. Nicebuns&#8221;</a> Please keep us posted about your experience and the readyness of the service.</p>
<p><a href="http://twitter.com/Aerithbloodmoon" rel="nofollow">@Aerithbloodmoon</a></p>
<p><abbr><em>Aerithbloodmoon’s last blog post..<a href="http://mcpmanuelvelazquez.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!CAC3F37D3F3ACC95!923.entry" rel="nofollow">La teoría de la papa (escrito por @Teifion)</a></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Secondhand Karl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Secondhand Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Jun 2009 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-19649&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Dave2&lt;/a&gt;, So you&#039;re on the Family Plan? I&#039;m sure there are reasons behind these dates. Be nice if we were clued in on what those reasons are. I give in to the pricing argument. Your first comment made a lot of sense and I&#039;ve read other articles today in sync with your point.

I still say AT&amp;T sucks for dropping the ball with how they&#039;ve handled the new iPhone. Other countries, Canada, Australia, just as big as ours will be ready on release date with all the features Apple demo&#039;d yesterday. The absence from WWDC was incredibly bad form and I&#039;m convinced they didn&#039;t go because they KNEW they screwed up and people would ask the questions they didn&#039;t want to answer.

I&#039;m a lot more settled down than I was when I wrote this post, but do appreciate your comments this morning. They helped me take emotion out of the equation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-19649" rel="nofollow">@Dave2</a>, So you&#8217;re on the Family Plan? I&#8217;m sure there are reasons behind these dates. Be nice if we were clued in on what those reasons are. I give in to the pricing argument. Your first comment made a lot of sense and I&#8217;ve read other articles today in sync with your point.</p>
<p>I still say AT&#038;T sucks for dropping the ball with how they&#8217;ve handled the new iPhone. Other countries, Canada, Australia, just as big as ours will be ready on release date with all the features Apple demo&#8217;d yesterday. The absence from WWDC was incredibly bad form and I&#8217;m convinced they didn&#8217;t go because they KNEW they screwed up and people would ask the questions they didn&#8217;t want to answer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a lot more settled down than I was when I wrote this post, but do appreciate your comments this morning. They helped me take emotion out of the equation.</p>
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