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	<title>Comments on: On the Other Side of the Coin</title>
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		<title>By: Secondhand Karl</title>
		<link>http://secondhandkarl.com/2008/05/on-the-other-side-of-the-coin/#comment-9640</link>
		<dc:creator>Secondhand Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shannon - first of all, thanks for a supremely eloquent comment. I can totally relate. I suppose one of my biggest helps in the social anxiety department is familiarity. If I've been there before (BlogHer and TequilaCon) then I know sort of what to expect. Plus I know people there and that's a big plus.

The first year I went to BlogHer I was liveblogging the event, so it forced me into the mix of things rather quickly. But it also kept me busy since I had to act professional to a certain degree; thus, I had a need to be there.

If you ever make it to TequilaCon I'll show you the ropes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shannon - first of all, thanks for a supremely eloquent comment. I can totally relate. I suppose one of my biggest helps in the social anxiety department is familiarity. If I&#8217;ve been there before (BlogHer and TequilaCon) then I know sort of what to expect. Plus I know people there and that&#8217;s a big plus.</p>
<p>The first year I went to BlogHer I was liveblogging the event, so it forced me into the mix of things rather quickly. But it also kept me busy since I had to act professional to a certain degree; thus, I had a need to be there.</p>
<p>If you ever make it to TequilaCon I&#8217;ll show you the ropes.</p>
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		<title>By: shannon</title>
		<link>http://secondhandkarl.com/2008/05/on-the-other-side-of-the-coin/#comment-9639</link>
		<dc:creator>shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 20:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"it FEELS like I’m all alone, the wallflower freak that people (out of niceness) feel the need to say hello to. "

Dude, I could have written that myself. High five, INFP brotha. It always amazes people when I tell them I am an introvert, as apparently I do a really good job of not showing it. If I actually get out there and start talking to people, I am pretty good at carrying a conversation. But oh, the effort it takes to actually get me OUT there is gargantuan.

As a result, I'm still uncomfortable at places like BlogHer. Even though I love it and think they're wonderful events, I have a really hard time with them because - again, exactly like you said - the good bounces right off me, and every bad (or perceived bad) sinks right in. If I meet someone and they're wonderful and lovely, but then I see them sitting and laughing with a group of people later at a social event, approaching them is basically impossible. I was probably the only person at the rooftop reception last year in Chicago who wasn't talking to anybody for the longest time and instead was just hanging out taking pictures of the lake and the city, because I just had no idea how to walk over to a table and say Hi, I'm Shannon, can I sit down and have fun with you? The potential for rejection is far too overwhelming, far too frightening.  Unless I get a really positive reaction from someone, I feel like I'm an intruder and I extract myself as quickly as possible. 

So I guess my point of all this is - clique is the wrong word for it, but at any event there are always self-forming groups of people who can be perceived as being self sufficient as a group. There is nothing wrong with this: in fact, it's exactly what everyone wants to have happen, it's called "fun". Whenever I am on the inside of one of these groups, I really make a point of trying to be welcoming to those who approach, because I know how tough it is to be the approacher. Not everyone does make that effort, and I do wish more people would.  

I love your last point: when you're in, you're just in. You have nothing to prove anymore. I need to remember that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it FEELS like I’m all alone, the wallflower freak that people (out of niceness) feel the need to say hello to. &#8221;</p>
<p>Dude, I could have written that myself. High five, INFP brotha. It always amazes people when I tell them I am an introvert, as apparently I do a really good job of not showing it. If I actually get out there and start talking to people, I am pretty good at carrying a conversation. But oh, the effort it takes to actually get me OUT there is gargantuan.</p>
<p>As a result, I&#8217;m still uncomfortable at places like BlogHer. Even though I love it and think they&#8217;re wonderful events, I have a really hard time with them because - again, exactly like you said - the good bounces right off me, and every bad (or perceived bad) sinks right in. If I meet someone and they&#8217;re wonderful and lovely, but then I see them sitting and laughing with a group of people later at a social event, approaching them is basically impossible. I was probably the only person at the rooftop reception last year in Chicago who wasn&#8217;t talking to anybody for the longest time and instead was just hanging out taking pictures of the lake and the city, because I just had no idea how to walk over to a table and say Hi, I&#8217;m Shannon, can I sit down and have fun with you? The potential for rejection is far too overwhelming, far too frightening.  Unless I get a really positive reaction from someone, I feel like I&#8217;m an intruder and I extract myself as quickly as possible. </p>
<p>So I guess my point of all this is - clique is the wrong word for it, but at any event there are always self-forming groups of people who can be perceived as being self sufficient as a group. There is nothing wrong with this: in fact, it&#8217;s exactly what everyone wants to have happen, it&#8217;s called &#8220;fun&#8221;. Whenever I am on the inside of one of these groups, I really make a point of trying to be welcoming to those who approach, because I know how tough it is to be the approacher. Not everyone does make that effort, and I do wish more people would.  </p>
<p>I love your last point: when you&#8217;re in, you&#8217;re just in. You have nothing to prove anymore. I need to remember that.</p>
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		<title>By: Secondhand Karl</title>
		<link>http://secondhandkarl.com/2008/05/on-the-other-side-of-the-coin/#comment-9594</link>
		<dc:creator>Secondhand Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 04:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Queen Lynn - I don't think you should stop asking them to come up to the board. I had to do it as a kid, most kids do. I think it helps far more than it hurts. They need to learn that they are still expected to fulfill certain requirements, no matter how shy they may be. Caving to their every whim, in my opinion, only reinforces and magnifies their shyness/anxiety. Just my two cents' worth.

Stacey - Aw, you're such a sweetheart. The check's in the mail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Queen Lynn - I don&#8217;t think you should stop asking them to come up to the board. I had to do it as a kid, most kids do. I think it helps far more than it hurts. They need to learn that they are still expected to fulfill certain requirements, no matter how shy they may be. Caving to their every whim, in my opinion, only reinforces and magnifies their shyness/anxiety. Just my two cents&#8217; worth.</p>
<p>Stacey - Aw, you&#8217;re such a sweetheart. The check&#8217;s in the mail.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey</title>
		<link>http://secondhandkarl.com/2008/05/on-the-other-side-of-the-coin/#comment-9591</link>
		<dc:creator>Stacey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 01:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meeting you would make it worth the anxiety attack and possible permanent emotional scarring.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meeting you would make it worth the anxiety attack and possible permanent emotional scarring.</p>
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		<title>By: Queen Lynn</title>
		<link>http://secondhandkarl.com/2008/05/on-the-other-side-of-the-coin/#comment-9583</link>
		<dc:creator>Queen Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I need some serious advice on the invert problem.  I'm a middle school math teacher.  Once in a great while I'll ask the kids to come to the board to write an answer (that I am sure they have correct) on the board.  I have a few students who will cry so that they don't have to walk up to the board.  I was the same way in elementary school.  My middle school (junior high) teachers made us stand in front of the class and recite poems that we had to memorize.  (I even had to say 'bosom' in the poem Evangeline.)  It basically cured me from the 'scared so much that I might pee my pants' problem.  Should I stop insisting that the students write an answer on the board?  They don't have to say a word.  Thanks in advance for the help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I need some serious advice on the invert problem.  I&#8217;m a middle school math teacher.  Once in a great while I&#8217;ll ask the kids to come to the board to write an answer (that I am sure they have correct) on the board.  I have a few students who will cry so that they don&#8217;t have to walk up to the board.  I was the same way in elementary school.  My middle school (junior high) teachers made us stand in front of the class and recite poems that we had to memorize.  (I even had to say &#8216;bosom&#8217; in the poem Evangeline.)  It basically cured me from the &#8217;scared so much that I might pee my pants&#8217; problem.  Should I stop insisting that the students write an answer on the board?  They don&#8217;t have to say a word.  Thanks in advance for the help.</p>
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		<title>By: Secondhand Karl</title>
		<link>http://secondhandkarl.com/2008/05/on-the-other-side-of-the-coin/#comment-9578</link>
		<dc:creator>Secondhand Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cyndi - Blog famous? Me? Wow. Glad you went so you could feel the experience for yourself. Now there's no need to fret about next year.

Shelli - I suspect TequilaCon is the beginning to a cure. :)

Iron Fist - thanks, dude! Great hanging with you, as expected.

Hello - Aw, thanks. It's one thing to express yourself online...totally different to do it offline, though.

SJ - Sure, I'll be your therapist, though it might mess you up more than it helps. If other people don't like you tell 'em to screw off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cyndi - Blog famous? Me? Wow. Glad you went so you could feel the experience for yourself. Now there&#8217;s no need to fret about next year.</p>
<p>Shelli - I suspect TequilaCon is the beginning to a cure. <img src='http://secondhandkarl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Iron Fist - thanks, dude! Great hanging with you, as expected.</p>
<p>Hello - Aw, thanks. It&#8217;s one thing to express yourself online&#8230;totally different to do it offline, though.</p>
<p>SJ - Sure, I&#8217;ll be your therapist, though it might mess you up more than it helps. If other people don&#8217;t like you tell &#8216;em to screw off.</p>
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		<title>By: SJ</title>
		<link>http://secondhandkarl.com/2008/05/on-the-other-side-of-the-coin/#comment-9575</link>
		<dc:creator>SJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 10:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're fucking brilliant, Karl. Will you be my therapist?

Next year, I'm going to overcome my initial shyness by approaching all the shy folk hiding in the corners. But ... what if they don't like me and won't talk back? :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re fucking brilliant, Karl. Will you be my therapist?</p>
<p>Next year, I&#8217;m going to overcome my initial shyness by approaching all the shy folk hiding in the corners. But &#8230; what if they don&#8217;t like me and won&#8217;t talk back? <img src='http://secondhandkarl.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: hello haha narf</title>
		<link>http://secondhandkarl.com/2008/05/on-the-other-side-of-the-coin/#comment-9565</link>
		<dc:creator>hello haha narf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 05:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it never in a million years would have dawned on my extrovert self that others, who just so happen to express themselves so well online, might not be as outgoing as i am.  karl, you did great.  i'm proud of you.  before tequilacon i was crushing on you bigtime, but you totally sent me over the edge after meeting you.  

xoxo, becky</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it never in a million years would have dawned on my extrovert self that others, who just so happen to express themselves so well online, might not be as outgoing as i am.  karl, you did great.  i&#8217;m proud of you.  before tequilacon i was crushing on you bigtime, but you totally sent me over the edge after meeting you.  </p>
<p>xoxo, becky</p>
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		<title>By: Iron Fist</title>
		<link>http://secondhandkarl.com/2008/05/on-the-other-side-of-the-coin/#comment-9564</link>
		<dc:creator>Iron Fist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 04:16:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rate your TequilaCon interactions as an EPIC WIN, Karl.  Just so's you know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rate your TequilaCon interactions as an EPIC WIN, Karl.  Just so&#8217;s you know.</p>
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		<title>By: Shelli</title>
		<link>http://secondhandkarl.com/2008/05/on-the-other-side-of-the-coin/#comment-9561</link>
		<dc:creator>Shelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 02:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Permeable Teflon Skin (TM). That means the bad gets through but the good stuff always slides right off.&lt;/i&gt; That is totally me.  Is there a way to cure it?  I am in therapy, too.

As for Sarah and Cecily?  I was totally the opposite.  I have known Sarah forever and she has helped me through some really rough times.  But, to me, Cecily is like Dooce is to some people.  She was one of my first reads.  To me, she is a real icon of blogging.  I feel like I gushed over her so much that I may have hurt Sarah's feelings.  

Of course, that could all be between my ears, too.  I think I totally get you, Karl.  I try to fit in, but never quite feel like I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Permeable Teflon Skin (TM). That means the bad gets through but the good stuff always slides right off.</i> That is totally me.  Is there a way to cure it?  I am in therapy, too.</p>
<p>As for Sarah and Cecily?  I was totally the opposite.  I have known Sarah forever and she has helped me through some really rough times.  But, to me, Cecily is like Dooce is to some people.  She was one of my first reads.  To me, she is a real icon of blogging.  I feel like I gushed over her so much that I may have hurt Sarah&#8217;s feelings.  </p>
<p>Of course, that could all be between my ears, too.  I think I totally get you, Karl.  I try to fit in, but never quite feel like I do.</p>
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